PiggishnessI read this article in the Real Estate section of the Boston Globe today. The piggishness of homeowners, demanding unreal rates of return on their homes, is astounding to me. Relevant portion:
GIVE THE HOUSE AWAY, EH??? Well, let’s just see how much the Greenstein’s are “giving away”. It took all of two seconds to find the Greenstein’s house on Switchboard.com. You can view the listing on Coldwell Banker’s website here. And you can view the Zillow estimated price here. The relevant facts are as follows: On September 24, 1997, barely over 9 years ago, the Greensteins closed on their waterfront home in Nahant for $449,000. Now Nahant is a nice community, but hasn’t changed appreciably in the past 9 years. In other words, it isn’t as if it was a run down neighborhood that had a renaissance or something. It’s basically the same seaside community that it was 9 years ago. As a result, a home in Nahant should be expected to receive, over the long term, the same rate of return as a typical home receives over the long term, namely about 2% over the rate of inflation, which for the sake of expediency we’ll estimate at 5%. Actually, on a national basis, this is extremely generous:
I heard a couple of analysts on CNN saying that historical national averages for real-estate appreciation was 5%, which seems reasonable given the risk involved: greater than zero, but still pretty low during the course of a lifetime. So let’s go with 5%. If you compound the Greenstein’s house monthly (I’m being generous here) at an annual rate of 5%, then their house would be worth $703,514, well below the $899,000 they’re currently asking, well below the $1.25 million they were asking nearly one year ago, and most importantly, well below the $830,000 they were offered and turned down over the summer! Because that would be giving the house away, right? Can you say “Oink” boys and girls? So let’s take the Mythbuster’s approach here, and not just ask what the house should be priced at today, but what implied rate of return the house would have achieved had the house been sold at the various prices mentioned in the article. Were the house to be sold at the $899k price the Greenstein’s are asking today, the house would return an annual 7.739%, an extremely healthy showing. Even if the house sold for the $830,000 already offered, the Greensteins would have earned a respectable 6.846%. On the other hand, if the house sold today for the $1.25 million the Greensteins were originally asking, they would have earned an amazing 11.430%. And had the Greensteins sold their house for their original asking price when they had originally put it on the market one year ago (10/05), the Greensteins would have earned a whopping 12.867% annual rate of return (compounded monthly). But apparently, anything less than 7.739% would constitute “giving the house away”. To be fair to the Greensteins, we’ve had a bit of a bubble. And to be sure, they’re not the worst offenders out there. There are houses on the market for which the current owners are expecting to receive a 20% annual return. By contrast, a venture capital fund, designed to invest in the most risky of companies, expects a 20% annual return for its portfolio. For someone to expect that in their house, a relatively safe investment, is beyond absurd. I’ve written before that I expected housing prices to drop by about 30%. The analyst I saw on CNN mirrored my estimate. I just wish that when journalists talk about the real estate market, they’d make at least a passing reference to the math. When people like the Greensteins make statements such as they did, they deserve to be rebuffed. Historically speaking, the Greensteins are making out like bandits, even if they sell their house for $830k. Certainly someone ought to call them on that. |
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5 Responses to “Piggishness”
October 9th, 2006 at 12:51 am
It’s not so much piggishness I think, as the bitter disappointment of people who have realized they missed the peak of the market, but have not accepted what that means. All they can focus on is the 300K more they could have made had they sold earlier. They don’t realize they should either quit while they’re ahead (as the market is continuing downward) or make this their permanent residence. Hell, selling your home for nearly double what you paid for it is still “selling high.” Oh well, maybe when the place is down to 750K they will realize the error of their ways.
October 9th, 2006 at 8:49 am
Couldn’t agree more, Rob. I think it’s a scam put out by the real estaste and mortgage industry. My former in-laws were brokers in the Midwest. You wouldn’ believe what goes on behind the scenes…
I still think there are really honestly honest people who buy a house, put their blood, sweat and tears into it, and do it out of love for improving the home, not money. My dad did that to an old farmhouse in Winthrop, Maine, when I was a kid. Redid the whole inside while working as school supt and supporting a wife and 5 kids. I remember it as the best place we ever lived, and just saw it on Saturday and the owners (since we sold it in 1973, the dude gave me a big hug, heh) have done the landscaping and it’s just an awesome place that they love to live in. No thoughts of resale value, just love of home and making it a happy nice place to live comfortably but not ostentatiously.
Hey: I’m getting married Oct. 21. Here in Portland. Casual, no tie required. You wanna come and do a kickass blog story about me hooking up with the father of my love child from 24 years ago and me and him getting back together after said 24 years and now we’re getting married and his brother is Bill Patrick of USA Golf PGA fame, by the way, Rob. And maybe some partying afterward? Free meal and wine at an award winning Thai restaurant. Cuz you’ll be the photographer, see? Heh.
Good publicity for your blog, man. I’m too busy helping my fiance (also named Rob, heh, so you know he must be a good guy) build his hypnosis business here in Portland. So far I’m up to Director of Marketing but expect to be promoted to CEO or COO fairly soon if he still wants me to cook gourmet meals for him. And he can’t cook, and he likes to eat.
Totally serious about the wedding and the blogging. I need someone to take pictures, man. How ’bout it? Katie Couric hasn’t written back so you get first shot instead. Email me for details.
October 13th, 2006 at 10:59 am
āIād rather wait for the right offer.ā – If the right price means peaked out of the real estate cycle, I’m guessing they’ll need at least a decade or two.
October 18th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
It is not only the 5% return that you get, also you live rent free for all those years. One thing I do not understand is that, you buy a 2000 car and you sell it in 10 years for half the price cause it is used, it is old. Isn’t that amazing that with resale homes this is just the opposite. You can deduct the depreciation from your taxes if you are an investor which proves that the homes depreciate, but when it is time to resell you just add on. So unfair. Why do I wanna pay so much for a house that has been used by someone else for so many years?
November 9th, 2006 at 12:15 am
People! Frankly speaking but i did’nt get what you are talking about and why you are taking Piggishness in b/w real estate talks?
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