Bitcoin and AmazonSo I’ve been giving a lot of thought to Bitcoin. I was introduced to it by listening to the EconTalk podcast on Bitcoins. Russ Roberts, the host, touched on many important issues regarding Bitcoins, but in my opinion, missed on some others. I want to think out loud on the blog about some of those issues today. So for those who are unfamiliar, or too lazy to click the links above, Bitcoins are an alternate online currency, whose units are limited, and whose distribution is completely decentralized, unlike previous attempts at online currencies such as beenz or flooz. What this means in practicality is that nobody can inflate currency. Bitcoins are generated at a rate of 50 every ten minutes, and will stop being generated once there are 21 million Bitcoins in circulation, which are divisible down to 8 decimal places. By downloading the Bitcoin software and leaving it running on your machine, you enter into lottery to receive the 50 Bitcoins generated every ten minutes. So you can either get Bitcoins by waiting to win the lottery, or by trading goods or services for Bitcoins. By all accounts, the Bitcoin system is cryptographically sound and hacker proof. So what’s the point? Well, there are a few major points that hit me immediately. The first is that this is in essence, the world’s first fiat currency that literally cannot be inflated (Is it even appropriate to call this a fiat currency, since it’s not decreed by force? Can we even call it a paper currency?). This represents an enormous achievement. The second thing that hits me is that in a world of high inflation, this may prove to be a valuable currency worth using, a thought not lost on Russ Roberts or on the creators of the currency. The third thing that occurs to me, that was not at all touched on in the podcast, is that the existence of such a currency proves an enormous threat to Paypal, Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and every bank that makes money on ATM fees and checking accounts. It is, to put is mildly, completely insane that 17 years after the creation of the world wide web, we still pay fees to these types of companies to electronically move money around for us. Arguably, if we had a congress or federal government that did its job, they would have already developed a digital, cryptographically sound currency for us to be able to exchange electronically by now, but we don’t. Regardless, it is this last thought that really makes me think that Bitcoin may have legs. When you go shopping at a retail establishment, you have likely noticed that many stores try to get you to use cash under a certain dollar amount. Moreover, most retail establishments, but particularly the ones that sell high-ticket items, really try to direct consumers to use their debit cards over their credit cards. This is solely because of the difference between the fees generates when using the debit network vs the credit card networks. Imagine if your will, how much money a company such as Amazon spends on credit card fees. Amazon could allocate a tiny portion of that to Bitcoin development, and the long term rewards would be enormous. Moreover, they could operate an exchange for Bitcoins to existing currencies, one that would be much cheaper and more easily accessible than the current solutions, which charge exorbitant fees or use existing systems such as Paypal to conduct the exchange. Amazon could simply enable merchants to accept Bitcoins, and offer dollar exchanges for flat fees, and potentially initiate a tidal wave. So the Bitcoin thing has really got my wheels turning. You have a real online currency, with real incentive for major retailers to back it and get out from under the credit card companies. This thing potentially has legs. So i’m going to blog my thoughts about Bitcoins in a few blog posts. I’m sorry if this sort of thing bores you. Tags: Amazon, American Express, Beenz, Bitcoin, Currency, EconTalk, Flooz, Mastercard, Paypal, Russ Roberts, Visa |
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5 Responses to “Bitcoin and Amazon”
April 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I checked out who’s currently accepting bitcoin for payment. Looks like a smattering of digital developer types, a handful of retailers and some novel ideas like charities and porn sites.
All of this is quaint and even eyebrow raising. But unless and until I can pay my rent or mortgage with bitcoin, it won’t have legs because, until that time, any bitcoin I generate will have only use in a novelty capacity that’s no better than having gift cards for certain retailers. Nice to have and a neat way to give yourself a unique present without spending your cash on it, but no way to sustain a living.
To make things worse, as a professional, accepting bitcoin for payment is a risk. At one extreme, it’s a great way to gain minor free advertising as most people who hire me would probably use up bitcoin on minor stuff and then py me in real dollars for more stuff. At the other extreme, every hour I spend getting paid in bitcoin is an hour I spend not earning dollars that I CAN use to pay rent or mortgage and this could become a problem if I catered to someone who has a ton of bitcoin to spend.
I’m also interested in the tax implications.
April 12th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Well one reason amazon can’t accept bitcoin is that they can’t spend bitcoins at a low cost. Transaction fees for bitcoin are low only if you avoid trading in and out of real currency. Since all of Amazon’s expenses are currently in USD they would incur similar or higher fees when exchanging their bitcoins back to dollars.
The low cost advantage of bitcoin can only be realized in groups of users who trade back and forth with bitcoin. Over time, hopefully this group will get larger and larger until Amazon can spend some of their bitcoins without trading back in to dollars.
April 13th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Fascinating! Good points in the comments. It’s a high hurdle for these things actually to go far. If ever a time existed for critical mass, it’s now.
May 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
I’ve just created an intermediary site which does allow you to use bitcoins to buy items on amazon.
http://spendbitcoins.com
Enjoy!
May 29th, 2011 at 2:03 am
I am interested in http://www.bitcoin.org to use for for things like pay cable bill with or netflix, cell phone, pg&e, internet bill, for things like these servises would be great, with how fast gpus & cpus are now I can get A 20 core system or make one networking 5 quad core systems to geather, I am on SSI so this would creat some extra money for me that is not us cash
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